#53 The Year Anne Boleyn Died; 1536 at Kentwell Hall

This week we slip through time to the year 1536, the fateful year Queen Anne Boleyn was executed, as Kentwell Hall once again bursts into life with its magnificent Tudor re-creation. For decades, this extraordinary gathering has welcomed hundreds of history buffs to step into the shoes of ordinary folk and high-born gentry alike, and this year’s happenings were as rich and wild as ever.

In this episode I capture the flavour of Kentwell: the dubious cures for syphilis being hawked by earnest ‘physicians’, the dangerous sparks of alchemists attempting to make gunpowder, and the rowdy activity of arse-wrestling, well oiled of course. But beyond the mischief and merriment, it’s also about the people. Catching up with cherished friends, fellow historians, and Kentwell enthusiasts who together weave this living tapestry of Tudor England.

Come walk with me through the stillrooms, the brewers, the bakers and the alchemists, where history is not simply remembered but lived, argued, sung, and wrestled with. Kentwell is never just re-enactment – it’s a world apart, and for a brief moment, the year 1536 is as real as our own.

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Transcript

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The. So I'm at Kewell Hall and I've been working here for 36 years. And yeah, so I started working here when I was 10 and um, it's a magical place. I'm here and my brother and his wife, who he met here are here with his two children, my niece and nephew, who are. Six and four. And we spent the week being tutors and the public pay to come and see what it is like to live as a tutor and, um. And we are the mums, so we perform plays. So we've been making up a play about Robin Hood and I've been doing entertaining and yeah, I just, um, I'm sat now on the Moat Bank. Looking out over a beautiful red brick moat wall. And then there's some amazing topiary with lots of people dancing and yeah, lots of human shapes in the topiary. And then, and there's the camera obscure where when you go in, there's a hole that, uh, it directs towards this beautiful slope where I'm sat, which is in the walled garden. So I'm sat in the walled garden with this gorgeous. Uh, herb Garden and Apples. There's loads of different varieties of apples that have all been grafted and are all sprawling with their limbs out sideways. Um. Absolutely stunning. Like it's, it's beautiful, this walled garden. And then there's two circles of lavender and roses that smell divine and are just full of butterflies. And, um, yeah, I've been going into the garden to get apples every day.'cause my nephew Patrick's obsessed with animals and he's obsessed with the pigs and he wants to feed the pigs the apples. Um, so we keep coming in here and picking up the windfall apples and going and feeding them. And so this camera obscura has a. A hole in the window, like a, it's all blacked out. And then there's one hole facing the garden. And when you are in there, you close it. So the light's all off and then they lift the cover and then it goes through a lens and it projects an image upside down of the garden on the wall. And it looks like you're watching a movie, but it's live. It's what's coming through that lens in real time. But it's incredible'cause it really looks like a, like you're watching a film. And I'm sat here by the moat near the fish pond. I nearly drowned in the fish pond when I was 11, and someone jumped in to save me a visitor and I had to have mouth to mouth resuscitation and came to, and I thought I saw a Tudor man, man in Tudor costume jump in to save me. But it turns out that no one in Tudor costume did, but he saw him with my own noise. I did. And obviously I might have been asphyxiating, but it's also been quite a big part of my. Life that that happened. Um, there's a guy here who still comes here now called Will the beekeeper, and he was is a Pagan, and it was before I knew anything about Paganism and he came up to me and said, uh, oh, you, you saw a ghost like you, so you made contact with the spirit world, um, which means you're a shaman and. That set me on my journey of being interested in Jonathan. K And just the things that I've been interested in since have been kind of more about the shamanic path than, uh, I don't know, sort of glamor fame, me, whatever the other world like that. The real world, it's not a real world. The, I wanna start giving it a name, what should I call it? The simulation. Yeah, the simulation. So. It made me more interested in reality than the simulation. And yeah, I'm looking out over the mate, the moat and the fish pond are full of this weed. The, I think's not good for it. It probably needs dredging. There used to be like hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of giant mirrored carp living in this moat, and apparently within a couple of weeks and Otter came and just ate the brains of all the, so they didn't eat the whole fish, they would just eat the brain, which is apparently what bears do with salmon as well. They just eat the brain and they just ate. All of the cop in the moat and there were hundreds, it used to look like Dante's Hell, where you'd throw bread in and like chicks would be like running over the, they'd eat chicks as well. It was horrible. I've watched them like eat chicks before, but they'd run over the heads of these gaping mouths that were just sucking at the surface to get bread. It was horrific and it looked like Dante's hell and they all got eaten. All these giant mirrored carp got eaten by really imagine how fat that water must have been. So yeah. Um, there's a punt boat that the cheetahs go out. In. You get all these idyllic photos of these kids just punting round the moat, which is lovely. And then the house is stunning. This big, beautiful red brick Tudor house. It's in the shape of an E'cause it was built during the Elizabethan time. So in honor of Queen Elizabeth, it has the two wings, either side and then a doorway in the middle to make it an E. And then there's the moat house to the right, which is where I first started working here. I was in the dairy, which is in the moat house. You've got the dairy, then the bake house, and then the brewers and above you have the. Um, oh wow. The, um, still room, which is the, the herbal women, and it's just divine and it smells delicious and the whole thing's painted beautifully. Oh, stalk just flew past. Wow. Blue stalk. Blue heron, sorry. A blue Heron. That's amazing. Yeah, A big blue heron. Oh, you might have heard the sk. Then it looks like a dinosaur. Yeah. So in the moat house, it's all hand painted in all beautiful old Tudor painting. It was done by someone, a reenactor, but like 30 odd years ago, 40 years ago probably.'cause it was before I moved here, uh, before I started working here. Has a chapel up. Top, which you're not allowed into anymore.'cause the ceiling's so thin, the floorboards have worn down so much that it's not safe that you can we're allowed up there. You just couldn't have visitors up there.'cause they'd fall through, might fall through. Um, and it's the moat house used to be the main house. So that was the old hall. And then when they built this big, huge extravagant hall, this just became the mate house. And when I first joined Kewell, I worked in the dairy and I learned how to make cheese and butter. And it's a lovely place to work. I, I do kind of miss doing skilled jobs because I've been a mama for, oh, God, so many years. Pretty much since I was 30. Well, I was a player and then I invented the mama station. Um, I, I actually don't even know when now I was a player for. I was a player probably from like 13. I was in the dairy then I was in the washer women for a couple years as penance because I was like, I just won't do the dairy anymore. I'm not doing it anymore. And so they, because I wanted to be a player, but they, I had to do two years penance in the um, washer women, which actually is quite fun.'cause you, you know, the whole thing of airing someone's dirty laundry like you. You know what people are up to'cause you're washing their laundry. Like, you know, people have been having sex or, uh, lost their virginity or whatever, or their periods are started or stopped or anything like that. So I'm going through the walled garden now, and I'm now going past the ice house, which they built a few years ago. And this is a, an old Tudor Ice house. And I'm also passing the sunken Garden, which was. An old moat and uh, it's now filled in and so it is just this rectangular long strip of garden. And we did the longest, uh, strip of the willow, although we've done much longer ones now. But I was the one that started it many years ago. I did a long strip the widow, uh, along the sunken garden, which is a dance, uh, Kaley dance thing that you can do where you'll spin round, spin around each other, like take it and turns to. Hook arms and skip round and spin around each other and it's really fun. And now we do it all the way from the house all the way down the drive. Really long ones. But yeah, I, I was the one who thought that up and did that in the sunken garden a long time ago.'cause we're always trying to come up with things that entertain ourselves because um, yeah, you're not here with phones and TV and that kind of stuff, so you come up with silly things to do as entertainment. And, um, yeah, so I became a player and after the, was women for two years. I then became a player and then I left for a few, quite a few years, so I can't remember how many it was in my twenties. At some point I didn't come back for a while. Uh, everyone left, like all my mates left, and then I just missed it. I missed smelling of wood smoke and I just missed being a dirty Tudor. And so. Because there's nothing like it. Like I sort of imagined that if I went and, um, went to Glastonbury or something like that, that you would have similar experiences like sitting around a fire, drinking and singing songs and yeah, I was mad when we, so, first of all, didn't experience that when I went off to Glastonbury and nowhere had I. Found people behaving like that and doing that, and then hello hello darling. How are you? Well, it's lovely to see you too. You well? Yes. Yay. I heard you moved. Yes, we have. Yes. Yeah, we moved house. March the 21st. We moved. Yeah. And has it been good? You're next to the pub, apparently traumatic. 280 paces away. That's all right, isn't it? I've got a road or pavement to get there. Just Oh. Oh, that's amazing. Wow. That's all right. It is. But I don't go in there that much. No, no. I go to the pub twice a week. Yeah. Um, I, a little mini pub crawl. Got a finch and field. Oh, I love Fich and field drink. Have a couple of pints in there with some old geezers. Yeah. So four o'clock to about oh five six. Nice. Then I drive home and then I walk to the George. Excellent. In the village. I love fining field. Mm. It's one of my favorite places. Yeah, it's lovely. Yeah. And of course it's got the best pub in the world. Yeah. Even better than my local. That's really cool. What's the pub called in fining field? Uh, the fining field Lion. Oh, okay. It's halfway up the hill opposite the. They used, there was a graveyard in Finch Field that had these two wooden, um, graves. One was just a stump and one was a across and they didn't have names on them. Right. And I got really sad. I would always be really sad that no one knew who they were. Yeah. So I'd always leave bunches of flowers on them. Oh, bless you. And I'd always go in there. So I always remember Finch and field.'cause I'd always be like, oh, I'm gonna go leave flowers on the graves. Yeah. I think that's what made me obsessed with kind of imagining ordinary people and like their, their lives. Yeah. So I, I, whenever I see. Um, a photograph of a first World War soldier studio photograph,'cause they all had them done and set them over.'cause some of'em, you know, young boys Yes. They young invariably there are no names on them, so you just dunno who they are. Mm-hmm. And I think that's why I, I buy them. Mm-hmm. Um, because I can look at'em and, and sort of think, you know, well, what, what would you have done if, did you survive the war? Mm-hmm. Probably not. Yeah. Yeah. Who were you? What was your name? Yeah. Where did you come from? That's exact'cause When we used to go to stately homes, we were never allowed on the four poster beds. Yeah. Or any of the furniture. So you just, but you were always allowed in the kitchen. So I'd always like pretend to scrub the steps and then you'd see someone's initials in the wall and I'd be like, oh. And I'd like try. And I'd imagine it was me doing it. And then when I came here with the school, it was like someone had taken my imagination and made it real. Yeah. I was just like, oh my God, how do I get to do this? Yeah. It's so good. And the rest is history. The rest is history. And I discovered this as a visitor. I knew exactly. This is what I've been looking for. Yeah. Most of my adult life. Yeah. Yeah. It's so special, isn't it? It is. Yeah. I was just sitting on the MO bank and I was thinking how that's where I sat with Joe and Helen when we were 13 going, I'm not gonna grow up. I'm never gonna grow up. I was like, no, I'm never gonna grow up, never gonna do it. And I was like, you succeeded to my guns. You succeeded. Well done. We're. Going home tonight. Oh, you off? We've only got the first week. Okay. On Friday. And we've got stuff going on at work, at home, moving home. You're back on Friday? We coming to the party in the evening for the party. Okay. Brilliant. Awesome. And then we'll leave Saturday morning. Okay. So we'll see for the party. We'll see then. Well, we're gonna have supper before we go and so you're not at the Kayleigh. We be off. Yeah. We need to get, uh kay days are. Coming to an end. Oh, fair enough. Well, yours have, we were talking about, we were, we were wilding about the, the days of your tumbling. We were telling all the kids about the players explaining what tumbling is and talking about what you used to be able to do and what your tr were up to. And funny enough, um, Bess and Simon in the Melford tent now, but their daughter, Alma, likes to do, you know, cartwheels and all that. And her mom said, oh, will, his name is Will Tumblr. Anyway, I bought some photographs of when used to compete and travel abroad. Yeah. Um. Yeah, so I just So cool. Those are the days. Days were the days. I know. We were saying, I think you were the age at the time that like Toby and Jamie are now Samson. Yeah. We were like, yeah, see, he could have been doing this. You could have been doing, you should be doing this. Now. We're like, yes. Age should be no barriers. Yeah, exactly. Anybody says to you, yeah, no more. Yeah, I'm done. Yeah. I'm done. But yeah. No, it's all good. Yeah. Excellent. We'll save travels. I'll see you. I'll see you at dinner and I'll see you on at the party. What was I saying? Can't remember. But yeah, so I, when I left, I came back after a few years and I started the Mama's Station. I think it was about. I think I wasn't actually away that long. I think I was about 24 or something like that, so I think I was away for a few, about four years. Seven of them survived. So that's brimstone from a volcano, and that was. Charcoal. Charcoal and salt Peter, salt Peter or salt to the dead. And how do you make salt to the dead? So that comes from manure heaps. Manure heaps. Such, such, such as that. Very authentic man. Yeah. How do you make salt peter from manure? Heaps. So if you just leave manure, uh, these white crystals grow over the summer. Ah, you collect the crystals. Oh, okay. Any animals. Um, they would go round the woods. So you have, so piece go around and then we take a little bit of this little, a little bit of this brimstone. This about half of that half, half of that. All right. A little bit more than that. Perfect. Put that in the vessel. And could you give that a good mix? Please, sir. Thank you. And then what have the charcoal, brimstone and salt. Peter, I mean, I'm no aist, but I think I know this recipe right. And how do you like gum? Powder? Have you uh, have you a Tinder box? Yeah. If you're an alchemist, use magic. Ah, that'd be well. Magic. You take dried dragons blood. Oh no, that's not dried dragons blood. No, it's quite rare. How just, oh, get hold of it. Where'd you get dragons from? Um, Cornwall. The Sky drive, dragon Cornwall tail house at the end of the night. What whale? Uh, dragons a Chinese word, right? What shape is a Chinese dragon? Do you know to a, a line, a great worm? Oh. Oh, like a great worm. It's where you do get worm. It's where you get the word worm from. But when I say dragon, why do you think of creatures with big wings and sharp teeth and big fire? I did not say that. No. Well enough we have know the tail bear walk and within that tail, the dragon. There free fire. Oh, and it said when the heathens did come onto this land, some, some years ago from the barb areas north, there was a port in the sky that free fire. Oh, in, in, I don't think it did make this one man look particularly brave. Oh, a good old pension saint. Oh, how he does not know his scriptures Well, we have a play about him too. We have a play about it, but we have done for many, many years. I remember watching it as a child in 11. So where do we get to dragons? Then we take the tears of a phoenix. Tears of a Phoenix dragon. Scro forties, the tears of a phoenix are coming out of that bottle that he's pouring from the tear. The tears of a phoenix. You know what a phoenix is? I, we have a hound called Phoenix, so, oh, that's confusing. Poor. I You can't see Phoenix? No. Oh. Make it very N as ye. Aye, aye. Aye. What's it supposed to? Yeah. Aye. For, for, these are both creatures of fire. Ah. Or you do put them together. Eventually they do fight. This is much nicer. Waiting for one of his punch. Not be successful, overly large. I hope it is not as disappointing. Oh, it is starting to smoke. Oh, and the tears on Felix with some dragons blood and it's beginning to smoke. Play. No one has ever said those words ever Alright. But I think this is not meant to take this long. No, I think you need more incantations ing. Jim Lynn Blancy Guard. Let this fire burn bright and hard. You're confusing it. Oh. Make the fire come alive again. Oh, we think they're not gonna make much gold at this one. We done. Wow. And that's now gunpowder. Is it? We think the French will be most appeared. Hang on. They they're gonna, they're gonna try harder. Dragon, what are these needs? Come by yourselves. What are these needs? Is more dragons? Flood. You rolled off. Hi more. But we have great success with alchemy. Doing not Mr. Oh my goodness. No, you don't want booby. Look, we need something more dramatic as, look. Look. Wow. Look at that. Wow. The back. The smoke going in. So feral powers are, whoa. Wow, you didn't use enough Phoenix tears. Yeah, we needed more Phoenix tears. Did you see that? Bang as well. Bang, Who can you make Jamie disappear? Oh, wondrous. Can we make Jamie disappear? That would be most 12. I would pay coin for that, but somebody did make him disappear and then I had to wait years from come back again. That's true. Master, I'll make you disappear. There is free ail in the A house. Well thank That was well. Thank you. I'll come for my gold tomorrow when you made it up. So I've delivered to you some lead this morning. Turn gold the bottom. Now, do we need any special effects for our, uh, play? The last time they gave a special effects, we blew up. Let's not do that. Let's not, do you not have special effects for the entire week? Uh, we had a whole week's worth of special effects that all blew up in one moment. Bye. And I, strangely, magically, did not come waste guard most well, I was covered in freckles of burns all the way up my arm and all the way across my face of, um, uh, magnesium, because below me was pip and lin, and I had to wait until they were out the way before I dropped the pot of magnesium, which in the meantime lit up all the gunpowder and sulfur. That was either side of me. There was a week's worth of gun powder and soul for either side of me. Jeez. And yeah, a week's worth of magnesium. All just, and then I, and then I dropped it and there went, and there was the most smoke and five, it was wondrous. Everyone was like, wow. Looked amazing. And I was, and I had spent the whole night hugging a s of ice. Gosh, I was Okay. So don't just keep the gum well enough. Yeah, we're not allowed it. If you enjoy this podcast, then please consider it supporting me over at Patreon, which is patreon.com/jolie. Rose, this is such a mad moment. I'm leaving for the pilgrimage in. What day is it today? It's Thursday, so Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Yeah, so four days time. And I've just got back from BoomTown and then Kentwell and then I've had a week here where I've just worked lots. I've just been working at the Mermaid and working with Adventure Sock, doing kayaking and archery. Uh, was trying to go to the observatory, but the weather's turned just as we're going away, but that's okay. I know it will turn nice again. It's just the end of storm err when I left on my first pilgrimage, doing this exact route in 2020. It was Storm Ellen, which, uh, fortuitously went on to be the line that I walked and when I walked up to Cop 26. So we're off to do the pilgrimage and it just feels like such a big thing and it's the least prepared and organized I've been for any of the pilgrimages in that. There's a group of us going. We dunno each other very well and I've got nothing planned and we're just going for it and doing it. But I've done it, you know, loads of times now and it's a route that I've walked many times. So I feel very comfortable and confident about it. And we'll just take it as it comes, learn the lines as we walk and yeah, just go for it. Uh, it's gonna be incredible and I'm actually quite excited about doing it this way and not having so much pressure to be. Whatever, like organized about things. I, I'm really looking forward to us just making it up as we go along. Being traveling players and. I'm being in Mother Nature again and it's the pilgrimage of peace. So I'm looking forward to talking to people about what peace means and what it means to them and, and how do we get to it at this moment in time. if it's something that you might be up to supporting me with, I would really appreciate it if you were able to. I did apply for Arts Council funding and I still haven't heard back from them. There is a chance I might get it. They do have a. Malfunction going on at the moment where they're granting their, their portal for how you apply for funding. That's been down for a couple of months, so that means there must be a couple of months worth of money sloshing around a bit. So I'm hoping, I am hoping that the money will come through and in which case everything I'm raising will go to charity and I'm gonna look at, I am looking at, and we'll be talking as I walk to people to see if anyone's got any ideas for places where I can send the money to where I know it's gonna get through and. Yeah, just, um, I'm, I'm looking at where and how I can donate, donate the money, but basically if um, we don't go and arts council funding, then I need to raise the funds to be able to pay for my bills and to be able to eat and survive on the road. We'll also be singing for our supper and people, you know, give us money as we perform and we'll put money in our hat. So hopefully, I'm hoping I'll raise enough money for my just giving Crowdfunder to cover my. Costs so that I can raise the money from performing for charity. Um, e Either way, some of it's gonna go to charity and some of it's gonna cover our costs. And there are, yeah, there's the arts council, there's the just giving page, and then there's, uh, us performing and passing the hat round are the three ways that hopefully will mean that that happens. But if you are able to help, that would be incredible. So it is just giving pilgrimage for peace. If you Google that, then you'll find it. Also, I've got links on my Facebook and Instagram, which are Korea Arts, K-R-I-Y-A-A-R-T-S. Do follow them to watch this amazing journey. We're also gonna be making a documentary about our experience and. Yeah, just create as many different things from this as possible and be reading my book and it'll be a bit of a book launch as well for walking With Autumn, which I hope will come out towards the end of the year. I'm hoping we'll get it out for Christmas. Fingers crossed, i'm very much looking forward to it, but if you wanna just support me with the work that I do, generally Patreon is another way that you can do that, that's more of a long-term support. If you enjoy this podcast and would like to see it keep going and I am gonna try and do it while I'm away. We're starting a radio station here in Stark and it will be connecting with the. Radio station in Oldy who we're gonna be collaborating with, which I'm really excited about. We're collaborating with Key fm, key as in QUAY, fm, and they're gonna start doing a SOC hour or program. And the. Podcasts for the pilgrimage are gonna be part of that. Now the only problem is, is editing podcasts on my phone is even harder than doing it on my laptop, which is not easy. So I am going to endeavor to do it. It might end up being. Not every week. It might need to be every fortnight just to give me time to do it. But I will try and do it every week and we'll see what happens. So watch this space. Follow this RSS feed. Do not go anywhere, and hopefully I will manage to create, edit and put out podcasts each week while I'm on the road during the pilgrim. Fingers crossed. I'd love to,'cause I think it's really important and I'll be able to capture the audio of, of what we're doing and being on the road. So fingers crossed, I think it will be well, but I'm looking forward to it and yeah, can't wait. Love you and thank you so much for all your support. And now back to the show. Yeah, I think they're gonna do the hokey. I think they're gonna do the hokey. They normally end with Okie cokie. And, um, Fred said that he taught them into doing Okie cokie. Oh, by then. So that should be the end song, but that's quite a boisterous one. Yeah. But I'm hoping there's one more. Don't fight me. And that's the thing. Like Patrick, my nephew was here feeding the pigs all week and just every time he turned around he was nicking another apple from somewhere. All our apples went. All the man is Apples went. Every, if you've lost an apple, the pig's good. Every time we turn around, he'd just start off with another. It's like, where are you getting them from? Yeah. Who's obsessed using infinite? I, I mean, we just spent, we just spent about an hour playing. Where's the snips? With him, leaving them on the water doing hot cold, hot cold. He was, oh really? He was entertained for an hour of that. I think I told him Know how to make fun of. Right. Well this is, it definitely sticks and such good day, mistress. Good day. Good day. You comes trouble. Good day. God. Do you like your I thank me. I remember it from many weeks, many moon ago. We good? We're doing Jolie. Yay. You well? Yeah. I'm Matt. Yay. What are you doing? What you doing? First time in the children. Oh, is it? Yes. Yeah. I, I've always loved the story. Na, I've been mean to for years. And you're not quite, quite around. That's how. So what are you making? Um, I'm just taking heads of lavender. Nice. The heads of lavender. Where are you based? Um, manning as ever. Although I always wish I could. Not mum and be in the store room. I would love to be in the store room. If I could, may have one year I will come and do it without doing the mums, but so he, Jeff, been, oh, he definitely belonged to I I see theaters. Yeah. I, yeah, I do have children. I've got my niece and nephew who are here, um, they've left now, but Master Patch was obsessed with the pigs All animals are success with they, my, my three all here, but they were no one in their twenties. Very similar, mad, isn't it? So I, I, I can't quite believe it, but it happens in Spurs. You turn around and suddenly all the children are grownups and you're like, oh yeah, hello. Oh, and then all of us, those of us who are there being players, I play 30 years ago. Uh, it's just incredible really. It is this word, isn't it? And this gown is my first gown ever. Is it? Yeah, 1987. And that was my first year also, was it? I, I, I was in the dairy for the first few years and then wash women and then players. I did, um, I was in the house was a new to do, so Patrick did say, oh, SCRs. So that was quite fun. And then I did my vacation. Oh, I remember at the SCRs. Hi. Oh, do you? Oh.'cause I've always been getting ink because I was always writing plays and things. So even though I'm not really, when have my letters, I'm quite, this week I've made ink also. Where for nay? Um, for, because it's just,'cause when we're doing plays, sometimes you do need to write some of it down. So. It gets a bit, um, hard to remember everything otherwise. Oh. So, um, I spent most of this week trying to make ink with my jack, showing me how to do it, but we did it, we, which is fine in, is it from uncle? Uh, nice. Alright. And then the, um, what it's called, we got it from the Alchemist to came, we got from the Alchemist that we mixed it, Inye, Mike Eleanor have been doing this in our own co We have the, oh, no. I've collected a few now, so I have them, so now I know what I'm doing. It's a very cool thing to do. I know not how to do it. It was quite, it was actually quite easy. You just need the chemical. Oh indeed. Oh no, this is is most cool. I know, I keep forgetting, I'm dressed as a fellow. Oh yeah. Just so used to it. I saw up at the gown it Oh, I'm being Robin and heard. Oh, shall there be a play up on this morning? I, at four 30 there'll be a play. Oh. To, there's also some wrestling. Oh. So, but um, after all of the. Mary meant upon the Esther. I don't think any of the fellows who said Don't do it, are gonna wanna do it. It was quite a long way. It's like, no. Now you've got to push each other around really hard. But may have, they will do it may have that, it should have a team of women instead of I. Well we, I think that there will be some female ass wrestling do push off ones together and push each other out the circle. Very slippery tutor shoes. Oh no, I did do the, um, the SCRs, then the kitchen fu and then, um, one time I had an opposite, so they Spanish meat out, you know, out the kitchen with Fair enough. And I ended up with players whilst my sister was in the place. Oh. Time towery. And. Oh, I, um, so I did that for a few years, so yeah. Yeah. And it's a very long time ago. And then had the kids, I've been close with you then. I think so. Once or twice. But you know when it was three week long events. Oh, yes. I remember seeing you around. We probably didn't. No, very much. And I'm. Oh, then actually, yeah, I've always been quite a quiet type so I could get on with it. I played the pipe and that kind of thing, but I wasn't one of the loud ones. I, I was in, I mean, Terry did a really good job, but then Adrian also did, but then if he's around, oh, then you just still good friend. I'm with seventies next weekend. He's great. Yeah. Yeah. I was a quiet person so you know, people don't remember me, but I mean, I do remember me. Yeah. Thank you. Right. It's most well like upon the Esther at the festivities'cause you just see everyone and we're like, oh yeah, we all know each other. Yeah, we have and we have done very long time and it's quite, but it's so weird, like clicking who people are.'cause you suddenly clock who child someone in and you're like. Whoa. I know. Oh my God. Or if you look at the, no wait, you know, it's most strange, I must say hello to Kester the film actually, because he and my husband Dan isn't here this week, but he and Kester were each other's first friend on the mountain. Oh, that's my cute. About 1994. So I must, um, have that conversation. Oh, that's, well, yeah. Oh, Dan, I'd be sorry to miss that. I've been spending more time with cast this year. It's funny, like you sort of have years where you kind of like just in each other's circle a bit more. Yeah. Um, based, I don't know, it's almost like the timings of whatever you're doing coincide more. And so you're like, oh, I see this person all the time and it's been Kester and his son, who's hilarious. Oh, um, I actually dunno his son's name. I think it's Will. He is a settler. I can't believe he's about 14, so I think he existed. Is he 14? I think he's older. Think, I think it's a little bit older than 40. I think it's 15. Just because of the level of party. I'm assuming it's a little bit older. I know the list is out'cause I'm two years younger as I really am so weird looking at the list. The um, or 14 or whatever it might be, or 16 or whatever they are, I think, how is that possible? I remember them being born and coming as a little one. This side, this is it. We have a phone, you know the photos that we've been doing the past in the present ones, so we've got one that we are gonna recreate. We were trying to do it with Sophie, but she left, Sophie was here and the still room, Sophie. I'm Maddy. Yeah. Um, there's me Mad Freddy and Tati, and they found a fish. They caught a fish from the pond, the, uh, moat, and there's them holding the fish on a stick, and then all the mums behind and we're all going and they're all like that side, so we are gonna recreate it with them with a fish on the stick. We're like. But we need to do it when everyone's here do accident. I know. You haven't changed. Yeah. I don't feel like I have. I don't think I have, but then I looked in the mirror when I arrived. You know that big mirror in this one that says you're a work of art. But then I was next to my kids, but they've obviously grown up and they look Then the first flush of you who's like. Oh, I know. Aye. But tutoring, um, is most flattering on, well, it's very age. It suit well. It suits it as well. Oh, it can do. Yeah. I think it makes us look, um, good. Yeah, I think the costumes do, but then normally for seventies, I quite like to wear by me. Oh. I feel more confident. A bit more, yeah. Little jazzy. And her hair as well was, my hairs quite, it's not very long, but it's. Best words. Yeah, I. Shouldn't complain really. No, no, exactly. It's privilege to age Exactly that age is it, it's a privilege to age. Yeah. We would've been, dead by now. Quite possibly, it's a slight fallacy though, because it's to do with the averages I think you would be very old at 80, but I think 70 would be, yeah. Alright. No, I, this is it. Once you were free childhood, you, you stood a good chance. It just depends on what got you along the, along the way. Aye. Aye, Elizabeth, Elizabeth first got to 69 and a half. Oh was six nine. Oh, right. So that's not, oh, she would've eaten a lot. Sweet foods. I, no, I think their diet was much worse than what the peas were. I would think so. But obviously the peas were more exposed to kind more risks, so. Yeah, so probably even doubt about being about 60 then probably 70 would be a push. It depends. Yeah. It's because the feed was definitely better, but there's just so much that could get you along the way that Yeah. Um, there'd be a gender difference as well. Like Well, actually isn't, no, but you know what I believe the gender difference is, is to do with, um, women being concerned about health, whereas men like kind of stubbornly not. Oh, okay. Aye. It's normally that mistresses last longer than the masters. Generally if they get to old age, but I think that that is more that women look at, but I think it's partly because they care. About the children and so they just take care of themselves a bit more, whereas the masters are a bit more, yeah. Oh, and it's not so socially accessible for women to drink load or anything? I aye, that sort of thing? Probably. I think it's because of the concern for the children. I think that people don't,'cause you know, if you're drinking those, that's why you might. Might tip the other way and um, not be of any use. Yeah, no, that makes sense. Yeah. That is fascinating. It's never ceases to be fascinating. I know. Community and people are, it's most interesting social science, right. P listen. Right. Not a lot. I'm just sort of sitting here kind of. It's quite the, it was very nice. I'm thoroughly enjoying seeing it. Yeah. Quite, um, moisturizing on the fingers. Oh. What sort of things would you do? The LA make some balls, soap bowls, I think. Yeah, I think so. We might make Oh, oh yeah. We can distill it as well. Oh, and make some oil. Yeah. So they're all different. Herbi. I only this you can, I smell them wondrous and the made on the. The blo. Oh, what the bottles were? Yeah. These were glass blown. Yeah, they're all from over there. Wow. They have got better at doing that, aren't they? Some, I think last year. This year. Wow. They are in, they're not even like one of the brown die really? The second, but they don't take, well the second that they don't what? They were gonna melt them down if they didn't get much. Wow. My goodness. They're, I mean. Art, they look perfect to me. I mean, I have, um, a glass that they did last year and, uh, it was definitely nowhere near as good as this. So they've got bat I, so what's this one? I can't re Oh, lemon balm. Let's, we have, yeah. It's not like Lemon Bal just, yeah, I think it's, I think that's LA It doesn't smell. Saying That's love eye. Did they? He can't find it. Smells a bit dodgy or not. Okay. That smells nice. What's about sage? We use the sage. Oh, that's the sage. Would you like to, I would really like to do the story one day. No, I did a herbalism apprenticeship in, sorry, in the Rosemary, so I know a little, but I'd love to know more. There's always so much more to learn from being in here on. Oh yeah, that does sound a bit funky. What's that? You're making berry syrup. Oh, but I've added spices. Oh, spice elderberry. Oh, nice. Like across the, because as elder elderberry not okay to just eat.'cause I, you just don't taste that. I got told that there's slight traces of arsenic in it, I think, and that when you cook it, it makes it. I've been told you meant to cook it, but I also thought you could just have it right. I thought the reason was it didn't taste very nice. I, I think it might be better for the, if I cooks it. Yeah. Um, and I think, but I have a very strong stomach and I just eat them. But I've had, I, I mean I've eaten many and I'm fine. Um, but I think I, you mentioned Cook today. As a child, eat more elder beverage. Aye. Suddenly, a few years ago people were saying, oh, you are cook. And I got, I know, I think there's arsenic within them. There is something within them. A lot of them I, but you'd have to eat a lot. Yeah. I mean apple. Oh, arsenic in a lot of things. Yeah. Yeah, you have to eat about 50 pips though. I mean, but is it the same, the pigs? Do you wanna eat hundreds of elderberries a problem? Yeah. I mean, I definitely do eat quite a lot. Is that, but you, round of beans now. You can't eat, you're not supposed to eat raw amount of beans anymore. Oh, aren't you? No. Oh, okay. I do eat you berries as well. I love you berries, but you have to spit the pip out. The pip is the poison berry. Yeah. And they're delicious. But I always think if ever anyone sees me, I have to tell them. Yeah. Because like, you can't actually eat very poisonous. Uh, but they're really nice. But apparently my friend as a child would swallow the pip's whole and didn't die. So it's only if you. Breakin, what's the apple pips? I mean, you're not going, you're not gonna get the arsenic from them. Even if you, even if you swallow an Apple pip, it's probably just gonna go straight through you. Yeah, exactly. You know, is this Hell, Cian? No, that's, that's Tansy. Is that what it's called? Tansy is because is it the same plant but it's the being a berry? No, no. Is it Ries? Is that how you pronounce it? Yeah. But it's similar to that, isn't it? Uh, isn't it the same? Yeah, I mean, because there's the curry one. There's Hurley Ryzen. Yeah. And what's this? Tanzi? Tanzy that tan tanzi. Okay. Hurley Ry is an oil that I use for my face, and it's incredible. It works really well. Like literally just that and coconut oil, that's all I use all the time for everything, like makeup, me everything, and I, I don't, that's literally it. Yeah. And it's amazing. Right. There might be some in the garden if you ask Addis. Oh, it's the same type of, it looks like this. Yeah. It's not quite. It almost. I can see where you from. From, yeah. And there's another one that smells a curry that is like the strongest smell. Oh, it smells so strong. That's not me seen there, I don't think. No, no, not we have one apart. I live on a little island, um, next to ey. So it's got their cars of Shula and um, uh, they have the curry plants there and we do not have a curry house. And if you touch the park curry, you just, the time be I can't do about, that's really annoying because it won't go away. So what have you, what are you making at the moment? What you doing? Oh, well, again, it is still in Rosemary, but I've been plow honey.'cause we've got a whole load of half pots of honey, you know, where it crystallizes. Oh, I, and so then you can't get it out. I, so while the rest been visitors up there, I've been, I've been melting, mounting that out because I'm a grown up. And if you, I can do such things. Is that, and have you been using that? Is that what you used for the elderberry? Oh, nice. I couldn't find the honey at the time, so it got half and half. I like, they're like, oh, here, it's and the ever Really, we They're like half dry and half, and I can't You dry, dry. It's so the weather's been so dry around here drying before they run. Yeah, I I've noticed that also. Yeah. There's one or two bushes that are by the pond, pretty much by the, um, dog kennel, by the wool shed. Oh, so there, yeah, that bit there. I, yeah, they're the only ones that I've seen and, and they're right next to the mo, so. On the couch like track, but the ditches, I'm sticking there to why. There was those ones that we can't reach. Aye, we've got a tree full of Damsons as well by the moat. But it's right on the corner and the only way you can get to them is to like hit the tree and then they all fall down the moat side and then in two shoes you've gotta try and get down the moat and not fall in the moat. Rescue the dams. But we did manage. Oh, you send child? Uh, no, definitely not sending a child. The children are not allowed to slide phone. Well, thank they. I shall see the anon very well. Come see, I'll play at half four of you if you wanna be taught half four upon the sword on the, it'll be on the S sword. I And, no, no, the Frontward. Frontward. Alright, we'll have wrestling and then we'll have, and we'll have the play. Is the be the same? It'll be the same one. So I, but I mean it. It'll be definitely better than it would. No wait. It would probably be worse than it was. Yes, it's good. Well, the thing is, if you do a good first play, then the second is invariably worse. And if you do a bad first play, then the second one we, you know, ramp it up. But if you've done a good first one, get a bit. I just, it always is the way difficult second album. It's just always difficult. I'll see then on. Good day. Good day. Oh, good day. I've heard you got 11 bomb a all this day. You try myself. Oh really? You have some I can try. I'm always one to, you know, be here for you vessel if you want. Oh, I, yeah, I, oh, I, oh, okay. I've left my vessel up there. No, no, no, but fine. You've reminded me that I must use a vessel. I get my vessel. Um, I, we brew a few days ago, so the bakers have just been in this morning, skimmed all the yeast off. They have it now in front of the fire, and that'll go in the bake this afternoon. Okay. There's still some yeast on the surface. Oh, wow. And we'll continue to ferment a little bit more. Delicious. I know More said this delicious concoction. So that's just being made yesterday. That was two days ago. Lemon Bal Ale. Oh, that is most, well, I like the lemon Bal is most refreshing. Uh, is it, it is a small layer or is it small? A, a small, not. Mm, it is. May. Well, no, that's May. Well, so I like the m lemon balm. Was it Rosemary? You also did that was worked well. I think of the year I was doing rosemary with bay leaves Oh. That as well. And a few weeks ago I was using, um, elder flour. Oh, wonderful. What, what really? Elder flower. I need to go get my vessel. Alright, come follow me. It's fine. I'm gonna get my vessel before I've left it up there. So it's still a lot of gear on there. We could do the fermented bit. And then, so all you do, I've got a jug full of it now, but all you do is just move the ears to one side and scoop it out. Well, that's most well, and they used the yeast in the bakery. You got the best job? No, I think the mums who do have to drink the hour have the best job. Good day. Uh, good day. I go. Sorry. Most well, how are they, right? Well, yeah. Well, wondrous. Did you walk to go and get your flower this day? No. You may not this day. I think You think I may not go into glimpse for this day. I, I. I'm too tired. I'm too tired to see Joan. This though, you need to have your strength about you using truth Well, to carry the sax of flour. Oh, of course. I, I almost heavy, but he never takes a car. Oh, goes by foot. I would not do that. I. I what are you doing here? Just cheese and garlic March. Pain. March. Oh, March. Pain, garlic. Within the march pain, I as well, I cannot eat as wheat. Oh, oh. It's a, or the dairy. Oh, nice. Which is, uh, not great. Nice. It's a bit annoying. Just, just a touch. I, and it's got to the point where I really definitely can't now, which than me. Ah, yeah. Oh, well I did have much time of eating much cheese and bread. Well, as long as enjoyed that, that time. I remember that time. It was really nice. Not eat bread at all. Um, it was, it did give me, um, asthma. It stopped me from eating to breathe. That's nice. And, um, I'd been taking steroids for my whole life. And then I got to the point where I was about to literally lose my voice completely. Mm. And um, I did work with some women who would herbalists and they say, well, you do not necessarily need to have asthma. If you do stop eating the wheat and the dairy, then you might find that you do not have it. And I did. And I no longer have asthma. I'm no longer allergic to loss. And I now go allergic to mosquito bites and I, right. Interesting. Well, I do not have all of the inflammation and the I, um, reaction happening. I do not react to other things. I, I, and, um, I, so I'm cured of all of the things I can, I eat pizza. That's the real, I, there's, there's a price. It's like breathing. Pizza. And sometimes I go the other way and I learn my lesson and it is not fun anymore. And then I go, okay, that's not really worth what's, we were allowed to bring that once he, and we had, you know, we had good times in the back in the day. Enjoyed many a good one. This is your wondrous, your close I, it's rotting about me. It looks right. Well, oh, it looks right. It looks well. It's, well, this was Mistress Penn's. Do you remember Penny? I remember, remember Penny? I, she was wondrous. She, she came upon the manner when? In the year that I first got Oh, did she? I remember'cause I was the same age as her, um, granddaughter. I, um, and we were very good friends and I did always look upon her and her cloak. I was like, when I am old, I want to be just like me. And I was telling that story once about the fire and one of the children. We think of that about you. Aw. I was like, geez. You wanna hold? Yeah. I'm smack him around the head, don't we? How dare they. I I was, I was Toby this day. He was, um, he, he is a, he's a risen. I was. I He is a risk. Oh my lord. Is he making sense? Yes. I mean, oh no. Does he ever make sense then and morning less than others, but you know, less than, but no, he's awake, which is quite impressive. We've gotta do wrestling and a play this day. Ah, someone told us there was a hand fasting as well, but I think that's more that's, we were like, really? I wish do. Alright. I'm gonna run away. I Good day. Good day. So, so this is applied into the offending appendage. Um, and, and depend you speak with fellows and often say, they'll say, yes, I need something for my appendage. Yes. Yes. And so we, uh. We, uh, we talk as the man's yard or he, and, and so we, we pull out the urethra syringe and for an extra farthing, I can place some goose grease upon the end. And, and, and the fellows at this point, no matter how boastful they were, often blanche a little So, uh. More often we end up using this, which is far more preferable once we have stopped bragging that was most fine. I've never seen a leach in my life. Oh, what is this? This is the same but beautifully wrought. Oh. I mean, I, I'd rather that one, I think if I was going to make a choice, choice for a longer yard. Ah, and that's the one I would need, I think if a fellow is particularly shy, would you be a fellow? For the moment I, I'm why I'm being a fellow this day, I may. Stand to one side and apply it whilst holding conversation. Wonderful. See, we do give care also discreet. It's been said, master chief, I think some of the mums might need to come and visit me. Can. No, Oh, a leach is really good for this. What? For what? For stopping child. For giving child really is. It keeps the juices flowing. Oh, ah, of course. Uh, of course The master of leeches. Well, what, what, how I. Place one a pond apart. Oh, the master or the mistress? That's an arrow. Either. Both. Both. You have to be careful with the mistress for, for sometimes you may lose the lead. This is what I was thinking. It my be percent, so that that is a mal. I takes a good one to get past you. I trained under Edwards master. I know these things. So you have damaged the digit of these. Oh, right, I understand. No practical demonstration required. What is the, um, that thing that doesn't it nice with the cataract? Uh, I can be for purposes of this concept, what a volunteer. I'll, I'll bring the bleeding bulb. I'll take you back. The Cadillac was of the cloudiness of the eye. Practice from the catch eyeball. So first we did, I open Y Rod and Pliny write of this and then. We do. Yes. In aye, bleeding queen, isn't he? Aye. And now I do squeeze out the cloudiness. I do do put your gazes on first. Aye. Oh, it looks quite good, but I'm not. And then maybe, maybe you'd like to buy a pest in the bleeding bowl. No, no. Don't waste it. Feed the leaves. Oh. Feed the le the poor Hungry Lees. If the lee is full, we cannot use it on there. Oh, ah, I see. It's so logical. Oh, I can see again. I need that. I don't need that. I need toothache anywhere. No, no. Well, no. I've got worms. Have you? Of course I have. You need to rent one of our anti balls. Oh. What do you do with that? Well, you give us a penny, alright? And the ball of anti. Oh. And you place it within your gullet and swallow it. It sits in your belly and dissolves a little and gets smaller. Uhhuh that kills all the worm and you? No. Oh, that's not, no. But for a day. For Then it drops out into the Jakes. Oh. And you rinse it and return it to me for reuse. Oh. And I give you a fathering back. Oh, wondrous. That's a deposit that's most, well, that is a deposit in both senses. Most Well, so it is but rented. Oh, rented. And they start off much bigger and they get smaller and they get smaller and smaller. And sometimes people will say, I do not one that want one that has passed through others. Oh, I do Not Smaller, a clean one that's never been touched before. And I have one of those open wise. Yeah, you could take that one. I think I could. Our mamas have some skill. We've seen some of them. Well, Charlie, what hour are you performing? Four 30. We will drive forever. Got time. Um, half the hour. Four, we will perform with the wrestling. Are you wrestling master? Are you offering I I'll be rubbing you up with the oil. Almost worth Exactly. I think everyone is most old and no one wants to do it. I know, I don't think, well, there were many masters that did say a and then there was the festivities upon the asta and now I don't think anyone wants to do it. So I dunno what We'll just push Tobin into the ring and young Witchman. But there'll be too to, they're gonna have, well, no, but that'll be all we, we think we'll find ways to make it fun. That's aye. No, we'll find ways. Oh good. See then I'm. Good day fellow. It. Well, how is th knees? I did try and go into the Undercroft this morning and they'd go, oh, I must go to Quick Think and get some new shock of door. I think. But, oh, it was most fine dancing on a concrete floor in really inappropriate footwear. Just ridiculous, but it was most fine. That was such a great night. It was a great night. It was wondrous. I do absolutely love those events. I do. I, I, I sometimes I haven't stayed till the end. Oh, I, no, you have to stay three. I'm taking the lights down and packing them up and get another one done. They're just too much fun and it's just so nice seeing everyone together. Yeah. Dancing. You're just like, oh my God, we are so great. Yeah. Aren't we clever? I was looking at the at the Kaley and I was watching my kid kids, my young people, not grownups, but you are grownups. God said, you've got to find someone like this to bring your children. I, I. Because it will not be, no, it will not be here. Sar. I'm gonna start trying to do an accident. SAR is there anywhere. I just know how it could, it could not start like this. No. This is started in an innocent time and was not, not Yeah. And it's been protected. Yes. Yes it is. Indeed it is. We are protect. Oh, there are many issues about that. From all manner. Bloody hell. Protected from that kind. Oh, we need protection. Where's the protection? Good day. Good day. But you were little Started when I was 10. I, I remember he was a I remember actually. Small, annoying boy. Good. Thanks. Coming back then. Oh, I dunno. It's the same thing. I think you should, I think you come back with the feral children. Oh yes. Got out the car and I can actually smell the potty in that pot far I be. You not. Oh my God. The potage farts we've had this week have been horrendous. Horrendous. I really have. We've cleared dance floors. We clear it last night. Oh, we had the party last night. So. So I was at bed at five this morning. Oh. Latest. Latest. I, we were the survivors, not your first road yet, Yeah, that's, I'm on after. So just to tell you, clarify, ham Fast is the mo. Ham, we are not here so we wouldn't be doing a play for ham frosting. But we are wrestling and mom has played and mom has played afternoon there is a large rope I on the front of the gatekeepers rope in P Wonder, which I have procured it. It tug of wall rope so that big enough make an arena. I got one rope and we un and it was too sort and so I went and found another. Wonderful. So have you got oil? Hey, we got oil, people push them each other out of the ring. We can make the ring smaller. It's pretty take off. Tud, she and they will bear their buttocks and we will oil them. They will slide and slap together. Be well, enjoy it anyway. Yes. Alright. You see the anon should probably go diesel. Well, we'll be doing a play at half four if you wanna be tortured. Um, so if, if we do the western first and finish the play. I think so. That would be one. I'll get people there and Good. And we will have done a thing and we will have done a thing. And that's magic.