#45 Glastonbury Festival and the Miracle of Reality

It's been a year since the Nonsense in the Podcast began and it is a pleasure to be bringing you this week's episode from Glastonbury Festival 2025!

It was a bit of a tough one though, even amidst having an amazing time, surrounded by people I love and adore. Who never fail to make me laugh. 

But there’s so much conflict and pressure in the world right now. We’re all tired and life's hard. We’re more than this. Life's more than this. It’s all bigger than this. And the game, the inner world, the Dreaming, our creativity… It’s all more than this. I don’t know how it’s all going to figure out, but having been at Glastonbury this year, and experiencing a vision there, I am reassured once more that all will be well. 

AND things are not right. Corruption, neo-liberalism, propaganda, censorship, fascism, lies… These all are happening and the UK is shockingly volatile. Glastonbury Festival likewise feels shaky. Like it has lost its way and is in danger of collapsing. As does the UK. These are difficult times. We are witnessing genocide and are being censored from speaking out against it. Things are a mess.

But we will find a way through all this. We must keep going. We will find a miracle. Things will correct themselves. And love, as always, is the answer.

The music and artwork is by @moxmoxmoxiemox

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Transcript

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The. Welcome to The Nonsense in the Chaos. I'm your host, Jaylie Rose. I got back to SARC today from Glastonbury Festival. I had to get the ferry over. I slept at my in-laws in Guernsey last night because the flight arrived after the last ferry to sarc. And then I got up very early in the morning, got a lift to. Town had breakfast in town, got on the ferry, and then had to leg it on my bike around to the mermaid where I worked today. And then I had to leave the mermaid early and leg it over to the parliament, chief police government for a parliament assembly meeting where we discussed lots of really important issues, some of them to do with education, which I'm the chair of, and now I'm here. So my voice is a little croaky because I also. Have now stopped smoking and drinking again. So I had an amazing time. It was extremely, uh, fun, shall we say. And my throat is, uh, broken from shouting and screaming and laughing and crying and having the best time ever at Glastonbury and smoking lots of tobacco. And I'm so happy to not be doing any of it anymore. And I've given myself, uh, yeah, the next, until New Year, I'm gonna be clean in every way. And then that means that when I. Finished the year, I will have done 10 months out of a year of uh, not drinking and I just don't wanna smoke ever again. I am glad that I got so addicted this time'cause I think it will help me to desist from smoking in the future.'cause I, like I said, in the last podcast, I got used to being able to socially smoke. So I will stop this smoky malarkey, but it does mean my throat's a bit, um, gluggy at the moment. Excuse me. Do you guys, if I get your response on the, um, you need, you have your personal wrist? Yes. Okay. Gonna look the accreditation on that side. Which side? Where, um, you know, you want, yeah. Oh, well just, I'm just gonna check.'cause the Shang one was there last year. Yeah. So that's easy three to get your. Can your festival responsible? I need a No, no. I've put mine. Oh, that's alright. Yeah, no, that's cool. I can, where's that one then? Is oh yeah, I know, right? Yesterday, but I haven't saw, um, I'm sorted for these two are set camp. sure. Hello. I've got, I've done that, but do I need to get a two more wristbands? Uh, Jo V-J-O-L-I-E. Hello. Oh, hello. How you doing? Hi. Thank you for the help I need to get, I wanna annoying you. Is there any chance of getting a spare? One of them, someone who's in the, my guy. Very good about it. Yeah. Mine was not before I it in I That'd be amazing. Woo. So, Glastonbury. Wow. It was crazy. It was so crazy. So I was there employed by Shangrila, by the amazing Kay Dunnings, who I'm hoping I will get to interview. And I want to talk to her about her creative journey and what was going on with Shangrila this year. But basically. I was asked to come along and take part as one of the interactive performers. There's been interactive performers in the Shangri Art area, which before that was lost vagueness, so that's been 20 odd years at least. I think it might even be more than that, and it's sort of an integral part of the naughty corner as this interactive performance space. There are less performers than there used to be. I mean, probably there was more this year than there were last year, but definitely compared to the old days of Las Vegas, there's less, but it's still an integral part of what Shangrila does. And we, this year it was already wilded, so that was the theme. So for the last few years, it's been a high street. And there's been lots of messaging about Capitalism and Obey and Donald Trump. And like we played the part of estate agents trying to sell port leaves for a million pounds to live in and like broken tents, as a state agents. And then we had supermarkets where people trying to sell things and. And like the ethos last year was everything must go and everything did go. And this year we demolished the high street, opened it all up, made it a much more, a wider, more welcoming space, but completely rewild. So there was allotments and nature themed installations. And then we were in a tunnel called the Realm. And within that there were the hostiles that were types of elementals, but were confused and perplexed because. Things had gone so weird in the world and they weren't behaving normally. And so there was a guardian who led people through that tried to protect you from these kind of beings that could turn and just suddenly be freaky and scary. So like, yeah, they were being protecting the. People who walked through the audiences. And then during the day, we walked through Shangri Lara's performers, um, as part of a procession. So in these incredible folk costumes that they had made that, uh. You know, looked like folk traditional characters and costumes, but with a, uh, performance art, Shangri La, which is slightly mad Maxey, kind of slant to it. And they looked great. They were amazing. And then we had the boss, Morris Dancers, who were also awesome. I'd love to interview them at some point. And it was an all female Morris dancing troupe that were dancing to nineteens clap. Nineties classics. So that was really fun. And then so we'd stop and Boss Morris would dance and they set off streamers and it was just great. Like it was a real event. And then we got asked to get up on the stage and dance with Craig Charles on the Friday, and that was epic. And it was boiling hot, but we didn't care. We danced for probably about half an hour on the stage with him. It was brilliant. What a thing. What the thing to have done. So that was really fun Oh yeah. Just like. Australian, um, like video stroke podcast, and they have these, uh, two, they have this challenge when everyone says, what are the odds? Yeah. Someone says, oh, one in 50, and then they say a number at the same time. Oh, if that number's at the same time, the person has to do the challenge. Oh, so the guy goes. What are the odds having a dick Pierce, having a Prince Albert and he is like, ah, one in 50. And he basic said 27 at the same time and they have, so the next week he had to go and get, that's really good I that we should do that. Working an. No, that was really good. Your finances saying is a bad idea. Well, my attorney says it. Dinner. I'm, yeah, she's my attorney. Yeah, like and yeah. Yeah. We're gonna be fine. Facts. What's in the sparkly thing of me? It, it's a very diluted politan, but it's great Rice politan, not lime vodka. You are, I I see a cocktail. Yeah. Did you? ISN two cocktail. You can only. Well, no, but Oh, co. Mine's a good one. There's the two. The battery? Yeah, there's the call. Oh, I, no, no I wouldn't, no. I think old fashion's my favorite with I. Oh, I love And a old fashioned, exactly. My favorite. You can make big amounts in there, like with, so like, you can make big amount of margarita. Yeah, exactly. Oh, okay. P Well, you mixologist though. Uh, only cocktail. So. Yeah, he us a name. It was like baristas. He, but did you, yeah. But did you train to do all of stuff? Trained? Someone taught me how to do it. Right? Yeah. You would do with any other job. Yeah. So I didn't give a shit name to it. Yeah. Are you a barista? Well, I've worked in I coffee two years. I've got a bed. This is how you came finance here. Account mate. I don't remember. I mean, mate, it's just your, it doesn't need to your, to your money. This is financial. I don't know what financial means. Do I get paid for it? I think we have a different version of what it means, and they're both wrong. You're not paying me, I'm not making you any money. Right? We just lose each other money all the time. Fucking is. It's fine. It's fine. Uh, it's all gone. It's all gone. There's nothing left, gone. Lovely. Each other's finance as well? No. Each other's? Um, each other? Well, there's shopping assistant. We other retail therapist, retail therapists, other retail therapists. We, we went out, we spent all our money. We did, we went shopping today, and then I left some. That's where I got these from. Like we do a lot climbing. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Okay, cool. What? We've got a mutual friend, pound group of climbing friends, and we all like, we all the same, all just like, you know, he drives an old car. He is not exuberant. His bonus. 20 grand. 287,000 barking. How is that more than he gets paid? No, he gets a hundred KA year. Yeah. It's way more than he got paid. And does he buy very high? My energy. He's always just on like climbing videos. He's sending you videos. That's where all the money goes. Its, it's ridiculous. He's driving it. He's got a car a year older than mine, a Volvo. He a bit car recently, but he had a car, a Volvo, a year older than mine. Wow. Same, like, same shit as us. And he's like, apparently his girlfriend said he'd just got one account. Well, not high end his account from like my first place. That would be me if I had normal bank. Don't care about money a. Did he, did he start with any money or did it? He used to a for, he used to drive a for, but he's really good at math apparently. Like he's like, he grew up on a ship. Wow. Is that different? Yeah. He, when he was younger, his parents like, had a, his dad's like a, some sort of like, uh, astrologer or something. He's some bon Oh, cool. But like, they, they went around four years around the world on a boat. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. And he fallen on the boat. He's such a hite, but he's obviously, I think he's, he was a, he's a bleeding house how just ran. But I do think he's a, yeah, that's probably some foundation money. Oh. Like I tell everyone, everyone I know, everyone I know he was. Got these extraordinary existences. I'm like, yeah, but you are not from a council. But he's got great was. Yeah, I know. Totally. It's not particularly straight. You don't need to trade down crazy because if you grew up on a boat going around the world, then A, they had a boat and B, they weren't working where they could do his dad. No, that, yeah. I thought lovely friends, money doing. Yeah. Dad, silver, the shoes. Wow. Let's shut that in. There is what? Wear shoes. Let, yeah, there we go. That kind of family. They're kind of off. I think he's still a bit like. He's obviously not proud at the end. He's a very but few. Yeah, I've got friends. I've got friends who trained energy on our behalf, got a family live in London and their front door was always open, like literally unlocked. And Trump's used to just come in and make themselves cups of tea and it was the exactly the same. They had money, but they were like. Ashamed about it. Yeah. And literally the door was open and anyone homeless could just come in and get DI think people got their money off. I buy a house. You don't choose where you're born, like you don't. It's luxury. You get born when you get bored, but you don't need to trade. But having money in that privilege it up in, he doesn't need to work that job. If I had a brain, I'd obviously work. Yeah, you so, I mean, you're doing that. Smashing it, mate. He did say the other evening I got on the trading desk, so I had it go. He goes, yeah, I'm not getting back on it again. Well, oh really? He obviously lost goes. Bye bye bye. Alright, that's good. Bye bye. Bye. Nice meet you. Not having that much money though, like it's a lottery win every year. That's fucking. I was staying as ever on the croissant Nerf site. So croissant Nerf are the original hippies, the OG hippies. And it's really funny'cause they all hate hippies and they wear t-shirts saying kill all hippies and stuff. And yet they are literally the original hippies. So the croissant Nerf stage is the second oldest stage after the pyramid stage and they've been there pretty much from the start. I dunno if all of them have been there from the beginning, but I know significant. Proportion of them have been, and they were the original circus and theater performance element of, Glastonbury. And they have some of the original vans that they all used to live in. They had children in their vans, they gave birth in their vans. They were new age travelers. They were part of the whole battle of the beam field world. And, yeah, traveled all over. The UK and Europe with their children in their trucks. And those children are sort of my age and younger, um, but all kind of in their thirties now and, um, at least, but like thirties to forties, some of us are creeping up to 50. Uh, looking good for it though. And they're just such a cool group because they haven't stopped partying. They haven't stopped being cool. They haven't stopped. Fighting the fight and you know, they do amazing things. Molly O'Brien, who I interviewed for this podcast is one of them. She's one of the absolute original gang. and she gave birth to her children in her truck. Go back and listen to that podcast is awesome. She's so cool. She's so cool. But yeah, she's like one of the leading midwives in the country now and possibly in the world. Like she goes all over the place to deliver her training and yeah, it's just like people that were hippies, are hippies that have been putting stuff on for years, are so skilled and know what they're doing now that they are the people that create block nine or they're the people that, um, you know, instigated the. Theater and circus field and, and now they run across on Nerf and we have such a good camp'cause everyone really knows what they're doing. So we've got like a fence round our corner and we've got this whole corner of a field. Um, they have a solar powered. Stage that's been solar powered for decades and, and fully solar powered as well. Apparently Michael Eves came up like a year or two ago and said to Sally, who runs the area, who I will definitely be twisting her arm to interview.'cause that would be so interesting to hear her story of cluster over the years. She, um, she was chatting to Michael Evis and he went, yeah, but Sally, we all know that. You secretly have a Jenny up here. She's like, no, we don't. We've been using solar power all these years. And uh, yeah, he didn't believe it. She's like, listen, can you hear a generator? And yeah, he, all this time he'd thought that secretly they had a generator out the back, but it was not true. And they have been solar powering for all this time and. It's just a really cool backstage area and we've got an amazing sauna and like people just know what they're doing. Like if, um, people need, you know, when they're setting up their kitchens, they make themselves a really great rustic set shelves out of bits of beautiful wood that's like got trunk tree trunk barks still attached and, you know, shelves that you would love to have in your house and they just knock'em up just'cause that's what's needed. Um, we had the A-frame bar there again this year. Which has an upstairs mezzanine so you can look out over the whole festival'cause we're really high up the, the Greenfield Hill. So we can see right down over the festival, we come see the pyramid stage, we come see the crowd, we can, uh, assess whether we can be bothered to go down and get involved in the crowd. We can see the fireworks. The children of Sally are part of the sustainability. Like one of them just won an award for, um, sustainability. I think he won like the leading sustainability person in events award, uh, recently. and he's the sustainability person for Glastonbury and her other son does the music up at the opening ceremony. For, the whole opening of the festival. So where they burn the, I dunno, Phoenix or whatever, it's that year Dragon, some years. He does all the music and sound for that, for the fireworks. Um, they're just very cool, uh, her, that her daughter climbs up the huge big top tent that is the cro nerve stage and attaches all the bunting and yeah, puts the tent up and she's the one that like climbs up the tent and does all of that. You know, you're just like, wow, you're all so cool. It's such a loud noise. It's such a small thing. So do you wanna go for. They lived 30 years.'cause I was wondering about that. I looked into it.'cause I was like, is it the same one or is it is just one Seriously. It's in exactly the same place, isnt it? What's his problem? No one else is doing that because we are being really noisy around him, I guess. But it's just here. I have to say there's been massive down toilet. They ate mine, but I'm covering them up anyway. Absolutely. Rubbish at it. Yeah. Yeah, it's true. It's a shame because it's not hard is it? No scoop before you poop. Yeah. Things before it stinks. Yeah. It's not hard, is it? No, it's not. Bloody rocket surgery. Hard to get out. Rocket surgery. Rocket surgery. Rocket science. It's not rocket science or it's not brain surgery. Oh fuck. Look at surgery. It is wonderful, and they're my, you know, Bessie's. They, my best friends are the O'Brien's, which is Molly's family, and I absolutely adore them and have known them for a very long time now. I've known since I was like 26, 27, and I've been just such good friends. And I have Ellie O'Brien who's their daughter. Um, he's just my, she's my tra wife or rad wife as I call her, and I live with her while I'm at Glastonbury. And. Ever since we met, we've just absolutely howled with laughter and loved and adores each other. And I dunno what I'd do without her. She's so special to me. She's such a important person in my life. And yeah, I, all of them are, they are my family. They are absolute family, and I'm so honored to be part of their world. So I. Stay with them. Um, I stay there and then I sleep down at sh I mean, I work down at Shangri La and I always say that it's like I sleep in the Shire and I work in Mortal and I have to go, I can, there's a back route round the back of the green fields where you go down through, um, the Shangri La camping and you can get into Shangri La. And so I basically just go up and down this really steep valley. I mean, it kills me when I'm knackered, uh, after two or three days of. Partying and dancing and all the rest of it. I'm just so tired trying to get up and down this really steep valley, but it's a huge shortcut and it means that I avoid the train track where everyone else is and where there's a one way system and stuff and it's, it's quite a nightmare to get across. So that's my setup. I'd say it's pretty much the best setup you can have at Glastonbury, like staying with the OG hippies in the best site on campsite, on site, and then working at the coolest, funnest area, doing really silly, brilliant, performative stuff that's just fab and I think is the most political work that I do, and I love it. And, um, I love Kay's vision, so I, I'm really excited to interview Kay, and I'll be really excited to interview Sally and. Everyone else, like all of these people I've just mentioned, I would love to chat to at some point. Um, so Glassberg was interesting this year. I've got some recordings that you'll be hearing that are laid in and out of this so you can hear a bit of our, um, actual experience of being there. Uh, the person talking about turds in the toilet is Sally. She's gonna absolutely fucking kill me when she hears that, but it was so good. We've gotta keep it. Um, but I had a really interesting time being at Glastonbury. First of all, I was shocked at how volatile. The atmosphere, it's in the UK and it felt like it was the UK rather than just Glastonbury because I'm not there all the time now. And I've just sort of plopped back in, I dunno how much the UK and people in the UK were aware of how explosive I, it literally felt like it was about to blow up. I'm amazed that all that happened was the kneecap and. Bob Fillon thing, which I was right down the front floor by the way, literally on the barrier. Everybody said I wouldn't work when now we have 30 frozen people. Inston, breathe. We got more. Um, I was in the Daily Telegraph, a photo of me, uh, in the audience right at the front, and it felt quite scary that we got photographed and that we are there being. Recorded as being there, because I know when the Nazis occupied Prague, there was a moment where, um, the Nazis came in and there was photographs taken of people and telling them to fuck off and like sticking their things up and swearing at them. And those people were all taken out. They were all picked off and taken out. And there was part of me that felt like. We are recorded as being there, and that that's now we are on a list, like we're gonna be recorded, our faces will be recorded as being there. And that was quite scary. And yeah, just so there was some chanting, there was some flags and that's what happened. It felt like, I mean, I'm surprised that there wasn't a terrorist attack. I'm surprised that there wasn't a riot. I'm surprised there wasn't like a huge fight. Um. It just, yeah, it was much less happened than it felt the potential for, and the potential wasn't because of Glastonbury, it was because of the fusion of things that are happening in the UK at the moment. I, it, I didn't realize how serious things had got, and I've been trying to explain it to people back here in SOC today, and I just sound like a mad person, but it's. So much more intense than I realized.'cause over here we're living in a bubble and I've been kind of going, Hey, I think we should get a plan together. A sort of what if plan, you know, what if World War III starts and we are the end of the food line and um, we won't be able to feed ourselves. Like what do we do about that? And things like that. And I just seem a little bit like a prepper and a bit of a lunatic. And now having been in the UK I'm like, Hmm, I think World War II's. Definitely already started. Uh, AI's a big issue. Um, fascism is in full swing. Uh, I mean, there are many things happening, basically like a revolution might be about to kick off. We don't, I mean, it's huge, the amount of, um, like a military state, there are so many things happening that have the potential to be the thing that. Kicks off that. It's like we have to consider our options. We have to the what ifs. What if, what if World War III kicks off whatev? What if we get occupied again? What if there is no food? What if there is no way of getting medicine? What are we gonna do? Like we need to start thinking about that as a tiny little island on the end of the supply chain. We need to start thinking about it, but it's like how to get that across without sounding like a mad person. But having just been in England, I'm like, uh, I'm sorry. I 100% this is all this is happening. I can't tell you exactly what, but it's happening and. It was quite a shock. It was quite a shock to be in the atmosphere. So I spent Saturday being extremely despondent and part of it was also being despondent at Glastonbury. There was something wrong with Glastonbury and I couldn't work out what it was. And then I had a really good chat on the Sunday with someone who's an event organizer called Gabriel. I used to teach his daughter drama and I'm really excited because she's about to go off to drama six on college, which I'm really, really proud of. Northbrook she's going to, and I'm just so chuffed that I was part of her journey of being excited and into theater.'cause she was in my drum group when she was five and she loved it and I loved teaching her. And she was. Mate. I mean, she stood out as being someone who's hugely imaginative then. So I'm extremely excited that this is now part of her life. But, um, yeah, talking to her dad, who I've known for years through the event organizing world in Brighton, gave me some really interesting insights. So I'm going to interview him as well. Uh, just to like, I'd like to interview a bunch of people in and around Glastonbury.'cause I feel like. In terms of being an artist, it's, it's, you know, along with the Edinburgh Fringe, it's probably the main thing that we do in terms of creativity and the work that goes into it, and it's been so interesting watching things change. Brexit was probably the key moment for me where I realized that the audience were a different demographic to the. Festival providers, the festival makers, because the sort of people who can afford 375 pounds a ticket are not artists, but artists can get in for free by going there and working, but. The artists and the event organizers and the people who can make things and put things on have been always sort of doing it as a favor because no one really gets paid properly and they do get paid properly at other events. It's not just that that whole industry's like that. Glastonbury doesn't really pay and. The amount of money available and the number of tickets that people are getting keeps getting smaller and I've just noticed it. You can kind of see it in the production value of what's going on and also the heart like it it, rather than it feeling like this creative super medley, it feels like a bit like a prison camp is got an increasingly prison campy feel to it and. Consumerists feel to it. And then I discovered loads of stuff about how it's being run and some of the people at the top who aren't the ees. I think that the ees have their hearts in the right place, but some of the people that are whispering in the ear of the ees and kind of guiding the journey that it's going on. Very, very different to what it's really about. And I think sometimes you're so separated from what's happening that you don't realize that you're being guided away from like the, the divine beauty flame at the center of it. And that I felt that a lot on Saturday and I was like. And I had a moment of despondency where I was just like, fuck, England's fucked. England is fucked. Glastonbury's fucked. It's all fucked. I'm so glad I'm living in Sarken. It was a real fear. I was I, I had a panic attack and was just. In fear for, I couldn't, I was lying in bed trying when I was trying to go to sleep, and I couldn't think of a way through at all. I couldn't, and I'm normally quite good at coming up the ideas. The only thing I could think of was maybe we should go on a creativity strike. And all artists and creative people should say, well, you keep shitting on us and you keep taking from us, and you are destroying everything that's beautiful in the world. So we are just gonna take our creativity away and go on strike and you can be beige. You go be beige. You try and be, try and do all this without us and just take it away. Um, that, but I mean, how you would orchestrate that? I do not know, but that was my one idea that I had. And it, and it didn't fill me with hope'cause I couldn't work out how that would possibly happen. But the next day I had an incredible vision and it was. A lot to do with sleep deprivation and um, yeah, a mixture of soup of things. And I went off, I went off to a different place and I had a vision, and the vision was incredible and I can't really put it into words. And by putting it into words, I'm doing it disservice. But there is something that I wanna share from it, which was, it was absolute. Contentment and. Everything was included. Everything was there. So it was the yin and yang. It was the dark and the light. There was all the archetypal beings, all of them. So there was Mother Earth and there was sort of like a devil. It wasn't the devil though. It was the horned God. But there was, yeah, the feminine and the masculine. And there was the, there was, you know, creepy, uh, fairy like things, though it was very Lord of the Rings and very fairy worldy, but it was. It was everything. It was the dark and the light all in one, and there was a lot of golden light. It was very golden, very fiery, but not sort of scary fire. It was just gold. And so there was sort of a heaven tightness to it, but it was, it wasn't just the good, it was everything. It was everything in total balance and harmony and contentment and. Uh, interconnectedness and, uh, the necessity of all the parts. It was just a, it was everything and it, and in harmony and absolute contentment. There was no need anywhere. There was no desire. It was just fulfillment and. And it was really rich and delicious and lovely, and I sort of desperately tried to hold onto it, uh, for as long as I could, but it went and I have to just sit with it and feel it. I felt so amazing from it, and I, and I came back with absolute hope that this is so much bigger. This is the, the whole thing is just so much bigger than the pettiness of the world and the violence and the fighting and the horror. I mean, that is real and it's happening and it's bullshit and we must fight. But, but there is hope and there's something much bigger than all of it. And it's beautiful and, and everything's there. It's all included. It's not just get rid of the bad. It's, it's all of it's there. And it was, yeah, I, I came back feeling. Like I don't need to have the answers, I just need to go with the flow and, and participate and be part of it. And yeah, throw myself down the front of kneecap and Bob villain and chant and scream and celebrate and pick a side and fight and, you know. Do it and be part of the government here and put myself on the line and all the rest of it. But it's, it's, it's a, it's a play, it's a story thing that's happening. It will keep changing. Things will keep shifting, stuff's gonna happen, but it's all just a bunch of stuff that's happening and it's, uh, it's a dance and an experience and beyond. It is just total contentment and connection and interconnectedness and. Peace. Peace and yeah, great. It'd be love. Lovely to be back in that, but we're back in that forever. You're getting a moment of drama and. Conflict and separation and experience and physical experience. You won't get that. That wasn't there. It was like, it was like an interconnected kaleidoscope that was moving and shifting, but it was all together. I. So that was cool. That was interesting. And yeah, I loved it. Now I'm gonna pull a room. I'm not gonna talk too much today'cause I've got some of the background and chat and stuff from Glastonbury, which I'll be editing into this. I wonder how long this will end up being, but I am going to pull a room. But first of all, I will, ask you for support for my Patreon, which is patreon.com/jaylie. Rose, this is such a. Brilliant thing to be doing. I love doing it. I love the feedback I got from people when I was away. It was nice to be in England and to hear that people are listening to the podcast and they're really enjoying it. That was wonderful. Got a lovely reaction from the Jimmy Martin podcast where people from the island who wouldn't normally listen, uh, really enjoyed it and, and did listen in. That was awesome. So yeah, I've just had. A lot of positive feedback, and I love doing it so much. So if I can make this my full-time job, that's the top dream, and that's what I'm striving for. So if you enjoy it and you listen to it regularly and you wanna be able to support me and support this continuing, then. Join my Patreon. It's three pound a month for just the bottom tier, which is saying thank you. And I do loads of free content. So you get the podcast, you get my videos each fortnight for the moon, doing a reading, and I put out my articles in the Guernsey press, uh, talking about the moon and waste work with her. And then I do my moon ceremonies, which everyone's welcome to come along to that are on Zoom. Just follow the link and join and. 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And I don't have any live stuff coming up to tell you about date wise. I'm gonna try and get my book finished and then we're gonna be doing a, a pre-book launch over Autumn, so September, October. So I need to try and get it done before them. That's my target. so it's so important with book sales for people to pre-order them. The more pre-order sales you have, the more likely the books shops are gonna stock the book. So that's the key thing. So I'll chug on with that, get that done, and then I'll let you know. And then the next time I'm performing is gonna be at BoomTown. I'm gonna be opening the festival again on the origin stage, and then we will also be running the Laguna Coven venue, which is, you're gonna have to find it. It's a bit secret, but it's an old town. Uh, but you'll have to search that out. It has a pentagram on the door. So that's my little clue. And then I'll be at Kentwell Hall for a week. After that, and I will be doing some more interviews there, interviewing the fascinating people that live as tutors there. I'm just loving doing this. I know so many cool people, and everyone I know is cool. Everyone, all humans are interesting and it's such a delight to interview people, so I'm just crack on with that. Keep doing that and sharing these little parallel universes with you and I hope you enjoy them and so on with the show. Okay, so the ring for today is interesting. A spiritual gift, gee off. It's a cross, like a kiss cross, and it's a bit like the center of the infinity symbol, the Taurus, and it is the interaction between. The inner and outer and also like in romance. So it's, it is the relationship between you and the outer. And the outer could be a human, but it's also the outer world. And so that for me is, is what that vision was. So I, I went into the inner world and fully experienced the inner world, and it's perfect harmony, it's peace, it's, it's just contentment. And then. I'm out in the outer world and in the outer world. There's need and want and desire and fury and, and rage and like longing and hope for peace and sadness and heartache and all these things, and it is really tough to be alive, but. You are only alive for a really short time and then it's all over. And that was the thing that my dear friend Matthew said to his partner, Heather, uh, when she saw him in a dream when after he died. I've probably told you this story before, but I'm gonna tell you again because it was so epic and it was a key part of our pilgrimage journey. So I probably talked about it in the Pilgrimage podcast, but she was on a kind of spaceship like, um. The death star and the doors like slid open and Matthew came through and she's like, oh, you are dead. It's like, uh, no shit. Um, and she said, what's it, what's it like? And he said, well, it's a little more organized than you'd expect. And that was what my experience was as well. It was. A bit like an Asher painting or something where everything clicks together. So they're all separate parts and all different weirdnesses, but they all connected like a puzzle. And that's what I mean, like a moving kaleidoscope. So as I was moving through this place, there was no gap. So there was no separation. Everything was connected together. I. And it was just kaleidoscoping around and, and all the archetypes were there. Everything was there and it was organized in that it all interconnected. And so I get what he's saying by that. And nature is all interconnected. The whole thing is interconnected that we're in, but we experience it as separate. We don't see the. What the black space is in between the stars. We don't see what the air is in between us and, you know, the, the screen or whatever, but everything is connected here as well, but we just don't experience it in that way. And then she said, um, he said like, you can come and visit whoever you want, but if it's someone you don't know, you have to put in a request. And he said, uh, Einstein's annoyed with me because I've been spending a lot of time with his sister. And that was the weird thing, is that Heather didn't know that. Einstein had a sister, but then when she went and checked him out, which I did as well, uh, she really looks like Heather. So Matthew's been chatting up the Einstein sister that we didn't know existed, and she really looks like his wife Heather. So that was strange and quite, quite a mad little bit of the story. And then she said, have you got any advice, like anything you want to say to me? And he said, make the most of having a body. And that was such a key thing in our pilgrimage because when you are walking a pilgrimage, you have blisters, you're aching, you stink, you're sleeping in puddles and it, you know, it gets so gross and sometimes it's such an ordeal, but what a privilege to be alive and to be physically experiencing that stuff. And that's the same with everything that's going on in the world now. So that's where I. What I felt at the end of Sunday at Glastonbury having seen this vision was that yes, on Saturday I could feel the separation, I could feel the conflict and, and all the drama and danger and flammability and pressure that everyone is under. And how tired everyone was. We were all so tired. None of us had the energy to do the kind of stuff that we used to do, like going out dancing and it wasn't an age thing.'cause there were people in our group, you know, down to 19, um, 16, 17, 15, whatever. There were people in our world of all the different age groups, and no one had the energy to go out and party the way that we used to. So, and then I saw a good meme on Instagram like at some point over the weekend. That was like, of course you're tired. You know, the world's fucked. You are, you, you experienced the pandemic and then had to go back to work again. You are being ignored by the media and you're going on protest and everyone's ignoring you. And we know that we are being lied to and we're being forced into a position that none of us wanna be in. Of course you're tired. And that's exactly how it felt like. It's, it's exhausting right now. And mental health is under a lot of pressure and it's all still just a bunch of stuff that's happening. We are more than this. It is an outer world experience, like a simulation, like a game, like a play. A hologram, whatever it is, there's a thing that's the outer version of something that in the world is completely at peace and connected and we're all one. And yeah, I dunno what I like. I think until I had this vision, I didn't really feel what being all one meant, but I felt. I felt it. I felt the, just the lack of any tension or, and it was peace and it was heaven. I mean, I, that's what I said to my friends afterwards, like, I went to heaven last night. But heaven has the connotations of being all good and being the good place and being a bit fluffy and a bit tween. I've often said, well, I don't want to go to heaven'cause it sounds shit like I want. Rock and roll music, and I want the horns of God and I want, you know, a bit of darkness and sexiness and some BDSM and like all that stuff. It was all there. Everything was there. It just wasn't in conflict. And that was what was heaven. Well, heavenly about it, but like I say, words kind of take, take away from it and diminish it, but it was, it was just absolute connected peace, which is the opposite of the outer world. And so. That's waiting for us. I mean, I don't know for certain that's what's waiting for us on the other side, but that's what, that's what it felt like to me. And that's great, but I will be that forever. So it is made me appreciate and wanna participate in and experience the madness of this. I mean, I don't wanna end up getting in a concentration camp and being tortured I'd, I'd rather avoid that if I can, but. I'm gonna just keep running headlong into this madness and nonsense in the chaos, because we're only here for a short time mate. And then that's over. And, um, bring it on. And, and if it is, you know, just a game and a simulation, play it like your life depends on it. And like it really matters. And fight for what you believe in, but don't also believe in it. Don't believe in the game. Don't believe in the storyline. Don't believe that. We are trapped or the narratives of this is how it's gotta be. Know that you can change it'cause it is just a made up crazy shit show of nonsense and chaos. So you can do whatever you want with it. It's a don't believe that you are as trapped as they're letting you think you are. So that's, that was what I learned from Glastonbury this year. So next up is the Chaos Crusade. And for the Chaos Crusade I would. Like to encourage you to go to a festival that you haven't been to before and that's out of your comfort zone and maybe going to a really big festival and having the experience of being in amongst so many people, which is quite scary. Being at Guston. Bri's terrifying. I, I, I never used to have panic attack. I mean, I probably did and I just didn't realize I was,'cause I didn't know that's what they were called. But I don't remember having panic attacks at big things before. Maybe I did, I don't know. But now I know the name of them. I'm, I'm aware that I do have them, and it is all right. It's not the end of the world. Like, yeah, being in big groups can be quite scary, but it's also fascinating and really cool when you are at the front of Bob villain and kneecap and you know your life. A key life moment. You are, you are there at a moment that we're gonna be talking about in 40 years time. You know, that's, that was a key moment, like watching Jeremy Corbin, um, talk that was, and then Kay Tempest play afterwards. That was a key moment and I was there and. It's really incredible to be in a group of huge numbers of people at key historical moments, but also it's really cool going to tiny little festivals as well. So if you've only ever been to big festivals, going to tiny festivals where you end up knowing everyone by the end of the day or the end of the weekend is also special. Going to different countries where it's pushing you out of your comfort zone by going to a different country to, to a festival. The reason why I think it's important is it's a bit like why we did the Nomadic Academy of Fools. So we could have just done the Fooling Academy in one place, but part of us going to different places to do it was to soak in the atmosphere and the archetype of the land that we were in, and I so was aware. This festival at Glastonbury that I was on, the Michael and Mary Lines, and that I'm gonna be walking them again in September or October and I'll be walking through that site. I'll be walking through Glastonbury and how important that place is and that it's on these lines and how, how important that is. Um. I, I was, I was so happy to be with them again, and I feel like they were part of what happened on Sunday and, you know, came to me to give me hope because I needed it.'cause I was about to leave that festival. I literally was, like I said to Ellie, um, Ellie O'Brien, who's my trad wife, rad wife, I said to her, I think I might have just made myself normal on the Saturday because I felt so drained of creativity and inspiration that I, I just felt like I didn't want to give anything to the. The game anymore. And I, I was so despondent like that was the word. It's despondent, but I felt, I went to bed that night, devoid of creativity. And then what I got on the Sunday is part of this heaven was, was the like, uh, abundance and plethora and not even the words for it because it was so beyond words, rich and infinite. But, but it was creativity. That's what it was. And. Archetype and dreaming and like there aren't words for it. They don't, they don't even cover it. But it was so rich and deep and, and nourishing and, and I, I, I came back like with no concerns whatsoever about creativity. I was like, ah, that's fine. I'm part, this is all creativity. It is all, it is all creativity and. Yeah, so it was needed and I appreciated it, and I felt like the land and the lines gave that to me and supported me with that journey and. You know, when I do Beltone Festival here on sarc, being here for the blue bells and, and the spring and being that, being part of what the festival is, is so key. So this, it's also about being outdoors and being in nature, but being with a group of people and celebrating, it's so important. So if you don't go to festivals, it's not something you normally do. I really urge you to go to one, but I also urge you to go, if you do go to them and you go to'em regularly, go to one that's a completely different music scene to what you normally do, or go to one in a different country or go on, go to one that's a different size to what you normally do, just to push yourself outta your comfort zone and connect with different types of people and, um, and see what that's like. So I'm gonna endeavor to do that. I, I might not be able to manage it this summer, but I'm going to at some point go, uh, next year. I think I might go to a. Yeah, there was a couple of festivals that people told me about. There's like the Blue dot Festival, which is like a nerd geek festival. Uh, I quite like the idea of going to, and then there was a performing arts festival in, uh, in East Anglia. Great Yarmouth maybe, um, that people said I should go to. That was like a theater performing arts. I mean, that is sort of the kind of thing I would go to, but I haven't been to anything like that for ages. Like not since, well, we used to have the National Street Arts meeting in. The UK when I worked for Zap Art, and we used to put on the streets of Brighton, but that was like 2006, I think that stopped happening, or 2007 that we, no, probably 2006 that we stopped doing that. So that was a long time ago now. So yeah, something like that. I'd like to put myself in a, in a position where I'm.'cause it would be quite a challenge for me to go to a theater festival again, because I'm so not doing that well now, that, uh, it would be probably really good for me to dip back into it and be like, oh, this is what's happening. Oh, actually I, I really know my way around this and I'm way more experienced than this. Or like, oh, this is. Really exciting and innovative and is pushing me and making me think of new things that I never thought of before. You know, either or. That would be interesting. So yeah, push yourself out your comfort zone. Go and explore the world of festivals and be outside with different communities. So that's my chaos crusade and thank you so much. I'm gonna really enjoy editing this together with the background noise of Glastonbury and the lovely adventure that went on with Ellie. So it's Ellie, you can hear that I'm, uh, wandering around with and um, yeah. I'm gonna, yeah, I'm looking forward to interviewing people from Glastonbury and Unpicking. What happened this weekend because it was a lot. So thank you ever so much and I shall see you again next week. See the, an.